IDES 322: Self Organization
February 5th, 2009 by Alex 29 CommentsIn the last class, we laid out the spirit of this course. This week our section overlaps with the Junto, so we’re trying to tie some new themes together here. The assigned readings should have served as an introduction to the topic of the modern library, and we’re looking forward to seeing what comes out of it all in the discussion tonight.
One of the recurring themes throughout the course will be to be how technology is affecting our ability to come together and organize ourselves. This theme was heavy in Geoff’s thoughts on the library. It’s how the Junto got off the ground. It’s a big part of how we approach education and business. We believe that a firm grasp of concepts like emergence is a crucial part of what we referred to last week as “web fluency.”
On to the the focus of this week’s assignments:
Self-organization is a theme of the Clay Shirky chapter. He describes how shifts in technology allow for self-organized behavior. People are able to come together to solve problems for a specific time without the need for on-going management.
Jennifer 8. Lee on the origins of Chinese American dishes— how Chinese food restaurants do not have a central organization coordinating their cuisine, menus, interiors, etc, but yet you can get a very similar experience across the country at a Chinese food restaurant. She credits this to self-organized and emergent behavior.
Self-organizing and emergent behavior have deep roots, but technology can accelerate the process.
Week 2
READ:
- Clay Shirky, Here Comes Everybody, Chapter 1 (Amazon, Google Books)
- Steven Johnson, Emergence, Chapter 1 (Amazon, Google Books) – Recommended, but not required
WATCH:
CREATE:
- Go to a library inside the city (extra credit if it’s not at UArts!) and take photos of the library environment as a study of what uses the space is optimized for.
- Upload your photos to flickr and tag them with appropriate keywords. Make sure they are all at least tagged with “ides322.”
- Find and join and existing flickr group related to libraries and submit your photos to the larger pool.
COMMENT:
- Write your thoughts on the assignments as comments on this post. Try to integrate your thoughts on both the readings and the video. How do the concepts overlap? What does the bigger picture look like?
February 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
the readings are not fully viewable in google books. are you able to scan the chaper and email us the PDF? also, what is the info for the basecamp group again…i just had it as a bookmark on my computer but without a computer i need the link in an email or something…
thanks.
February 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I’m also having trouble viewing the reading
The video is interesting to think about, looking forward to seeing how it ties in with the chapter
February 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
nevermind, now they are working for me in Safari
February 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
The story about the sidekick was awesome. Sasha got arrested, nice. It was crazy to see how fast news can spread with help from the internet now. I dropped my phone in a river once before and maybe 5 people know about. But this woman loses her phone in a cab, and with a little help from the internet, its world news. It’s pretty crazy that within 10 days Evan was able to form a group of people with all different skills to aid him in the search for the sidekick, just by writing his story online and sharing it with friends. Building a social group for a project like this seems like it would take a massive effort, but not anymore. Working without the “managerial imperative” allows individuals to form groups without limits to accomplish similar goals.
A few points i found interesting in the TedTalks was that fortune cookies are a foreign object to the Chinese. I also found it funny that chop suey translated to odds and ends. I think the concepts from the reading and the TedTalks overlap by means of collaborations. In the reading, different people from different places joined together and made a difference. With Chinese food in America there are many different ways of making it depending on where your from. Which makes for very diverse takes on Chinese food. Does that connection make sense?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
I think this video was interesting and provided great info. about things we all consider to be exactly what they are in reality. I wrote this eating REAL Chinese food. lol
February 9th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Christiaan, I am looking forward to your more thoughtful comment on the video about the origin of Chinese-American food and the reading by Clay Shirky about self-organization.
February 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I also found the video funny and interesting. Although I have to admit that i found the “spontaneous organization” through the fortune cookie lucky numbers and the power ball winners to be a stretch. Only because i think that it makes a difference if these people acted on the thought that there will be others doing the same. It would be one thing if it was said that everyone showing up to see a certain band playing is a type of organization. So i guess my question is can it be considered organization if an individual isn’t aware? Also I just have to add one more thing about the video, the whole Americanizing of chinese food and the fortune cookie. I feel with mass immigration and blending of cultures could it be possible in 100 years that authentic social actions such as the type of food a culture eats will only be known about in books.
To comment on the reading, i enjoyed the whole story and was somewhat amazed that it made front cover news for the time. But what i couldn’t help but thinking is how an effort was made by one person to organize a group input about one topic over the web using several social networking elements. Has this now replaced people protesting on the streets to invoke a response? I think that its interesting how technology has connected people form all over, but it has separated us on a personal level as well.
February 11th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I had known for a while that American Chinese food isn’t “real” Chinese food but hadn’t ever been given some concrete information such as Lee’s Ted Talk. The origin of the fortune cookie was one of the most interesting things, and how historical events effected how Chinese food evolved in America. The relation I see between the first chapter of Here Comes Everybody is the pace at which things can be organized. The lost phone people organized very fast and Chinese food in America took a while longer really become what it is. Also that at the beginning of each “movement” the intentions were necessarily clear and clean cut but there was something wether positive or negative that came out of both things.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
The Shirky chapter Here Comes Everybody was a very interesting read that I have been sharing with family and friends
The message is inspiring and generates hopeful ideas and concepts in my mind about the future of the internet, networking, and human society as a whole.
The fact that Evan could start getting the word out on the internet about his friend losing a phone in the back of a cab and it blowing up into the situation it became amazes me. After he got things rolling, he was receiving ten emails a MINUTE and his bulletin boards he was creating couldn’t even support the volume of users trying to log on and discuss the event.
I think the most hopeful point in this story for our society was when Evan and his new network of millions were able to override the NYPD’s decision to not take action in finding the phone. Events like these which involve mistreatment of people by authoritative figures that fly under the radar, so to speak, can be blown up in the public domain. This means not only is online networking quick, easy, and cheap.. but it may also be a means of achieving justice within our society. Think of all the technology at peoples’ fingertips today – if they see a crime or have clues/information on a crime, they can ANONYMOUSLY submit tips to people and get the word out – the more people involved, the stronger the message (this is true of protests, as well).
I’m glad organization prices have collapses with the technology available to us online, and I think that this creates a huge opportunity for mass organization and networking, which is vastly inspiring for the future/near future of human society.
The TED talks video was interesting, and I especially took note of the amount of time it took cultures to begin to shift and change – in this case the catalyst was food.. McDonalds took 10 years to get their McNuggets to the point where they were mass produced and distributed all over their restaurants. General Tso’s chicken, probably the most popular Chinese-American dish today, also took 10 years to blow up on a mass-consumption scale.
To tie this tangent back in with the discussion, I just want to point out that the reality is if in this day and age, the year 2009, someone wanted to get an idea, whether it be a design, a food dish, a thought, an intriguing discussion, or anything else, there are networking tools on the web today that will enable that person to spread their word/concept EXPONENTIALLY faster than years prior.
Not only that, but with the rate of technology and open-source programming going on in this day, tools are being developed quicker and quicker and they are better than ever.
The future is very inspiring, and I think that we are all in for a huge change in the next couple of years
February 11th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Before I read the actual article by Clay Shirky, I clicked on the link that brought me to the webibliography, that brought me to the evanwashere homepage. I read that first and it was the detailed version of Evan’s story. Then I read the Clay Shirky chapter. It was interesting to first have read the experience directly from the man who was involved. It is an interesting article and full experience that would not have blown up had it not been for the worldwideweb. It is real sad to me that the young lady would not give the phone back, and it is wild that even I am effected by the situation. I feel bad about it all. It is crazy that so many people didn’t remotely know each other but were brought together because of a ridiculous situation. I cannot imagine being the young girl. Everyone seemed to be completely against her decision, and people that she has never met and will never meet all know everything about her. The power people hold in their computer as well as their mobile technologies can be way more effective than a lot of people realize.
The video on Chinese food was particularly interesting. I have been eating chinese food for as long as I can remember and have grown accustom to the american-chinese food experience. It is hard to believe that many chinese people don’t know what a fortune cookie is. If a chinese family comes over to America to start a business selling chinese food, do they not know about fortune cookies before they start their business? This was something I thought a lot about. I have been to a couple chinese restaurants that seemed more authentic. But then again, how do I know what authentic chinese food actually is? One of them was in Minnesota and was a buffet, but all of the foods in the buffet were not traditional american-chinese. There were vegetables and fruits that I have never seen before. I think they even had frog legs. For a dessert I think they gave us oranges instead of fortune cookies. It makes me curious to know if restaurants in China actually give a dessert with the check. The whole idea of this being a custom started with that family who began making the fortune cookie. The readings and video seem to really point out the impact a person can have on an entire community without meeting the community. We all have a lot of power to say and do a lot about something, and we can effect a lot of people without even knowing it.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
In the reading It really shows how fast news can travel and the impact a small piece of information can make. I found it very interesting that from one comment it went world wide to the Times. It just shows that you can make something happen by one small action and that people will follow and react when others do. From just a small blog comment you dont think that you will get an action like having the girl arrested but it shows with enough support more people will get involved. The fact that one man posting his story on the internet to help his friend, gathered this group of complete strangers around the world help him, shows the potential technology has.
In the Ted Talks video it also shows that once someone decides to start something others will follow. you have to wonder if really the thing that made the chinese food restaurant so world known is the fact that they started out selling large quantities of food at low prices to a lot of people sparked interest to others. if there is something that is working in one place or another people in other places will try it. The organization I feel comes from people taking notice of others wether it be starting another Chinese restaurant or commenting on a blog. She mentions the lottery winners from the fortune cookie numbers and I cant help but wonder was it mass organization or mass superstition. How many people dont walk under ladders? I feel its the same way with the fortune numbers, everyone feels the need one time or another to try their fortune cookie numbers for something. Its bizarre how all those people won the lottery at the same time, but what about the people that still play their cookie numbers for that chance. was it really organization which lead all those people to win that one time, and if it is is common superstition another form of organization?
February 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I think many of us know how much of an inconvenience it is to either forget your phone at home or lose it. I’ve personally lost probably five cellphones since i got my first one sophomore year of highschool, but none of those experiences nearly reached such significance as that of Evan Guttman. Though I found the story entertaining, I thought it was a bit petty. I can’t help but think that Guttman may have also been motivated by self interest as well.
But beyond my criticism of what Guttman called his ‘HUMANITY’ endeavor, a theme that stands out the most is the power of group action, given the right tools. Guttman, a singular person, used his tools, those being his existing social (network which also has its own many networks) and the internet(which has an even greater network). Within 2 weeks and with even less money, his story made international headlines and got him a freelance PR job.
Jennifer Lee made a comment about how acts on a micro level affect situations on a macro level. In Guttman’s case, publishing the webpage and linking his friends to it was on a micro level but since his friends then forwarded it on, the story then became a part of millions of other lives.
Clay Shirky mentions Tim O’Reilly’s concept about the “architecture of participation” which is what I think even YouTube is depending on. In trying to articulate a connection between O’reilly and spontaneous organization, I speculate that a lot of people like to do the same things at the same time.
To recap: People are impressive and impressionable.
-Mary
February 12th, 2009 at 12:55 am
I found it had to stomach the beginning of the first chapter of Here Comes Everybody. I thought both Sasha and Evan and everyone they knew were acting completely juvenile and hiding behind their anonymity online. Evan’s behaviour, even if he was fighting for “good” was still objectionable. He sunk down the the level of an uneducated, low income teen girl who’s only priority is finding acceptance. The comments mentioned in the article by the third party viewers bothered me. Sure it it sucks to loose a phone, know where it is and not be able to get it back, but that was just ridiculous. Both parties were in the wrong here.
The most intriguing part of the article was the mention of the “former audience.” It reminds me of stories I read as a kid, “to open door one turn to page …, to open the trunk turn to page …” only to find out you should have chose the other path. An audience can not only interact with the story but define it’s ending boggles me. It scares and excites me what the internet is capable of. For better or worse, the first chapter proves how powerful technology is and how dangerous it can be. Evan was very good at manipulating his audience into thinking the sidekick was more important than it really was to build an army he probably didn’t anticipate. It’s not hard to get people to do what you want when they’re already doing it but you make it easier as they mentioned in the article. “If you give them more of a reason to do something, they will do more of it, and if you make it easier to do more of something they are already inclined to do, they will also do more of it” (pg 18).
I definitely see the organization in the reading. People do tend to naturally organize themselves into groups and communities. One of my favorite quotes from a short lived Showtime TV series Dead Like Me was when the character George was new at the office and tried to make friends. “You have 5 fingers? I have five fingers! Lets go find someone with four fingers and beat the crap out of them!” She was making fun of her coworkers finding whatever little superficial things they had in common to become friends with each other over. This is how I see the situation with Evan and his followers, completely superficial but they all know what it is like to loose an item of personal significance.
I liked Lee’s talk about Chinese food but I’m kind of missing the connection. I didn’t really feel her speech was very much about organization. I guess I can see that an entire ethnic community in a different country organized and created an entire collection of cultural dishes and experiences (ie, fortune cookies) when they didn’t really exist originally. The Chinese and owners of Chinese restaurants did this without the use of the internet on a VERY large scale.
February 12th, 2009 at 1:18 am
The ted talks video got me thinking of this one time i was in nashville tennessee. We were staying in a zero star motel and we wanted to get some food. The neighorhood wasn’t great so we didnt go too far out of the way. We saw a tiny chinease resturant and decided to eat there. This wasnt a chinease resturant you would sit down in but more of a dirty “walk-through” kind of place like there are in philly, anyway we looked at the menu and i was pretty aw struckin’ by the variety that i had seen, Buffalo wings, all sortsa of different rib barbeque combos and steaks,Onion rings, funnel cake, soft pretzels, gumbo which is one i found to be the funniest. On top of that they sold so called “Chinese food”. I had to order the buffalo wings just cause it was so rediculous. When i saw my order i was even more shocked. There take on buffolo wings was to glaze it with that msg riddled oily glaze thats on every chinease food that we know in america, and they were prepared like you would see genreral to’s chicken. too me it was very odd how geographics play an important role on fuzions of different food. And how depending on where you are you could be getting numbers of influences. Just like that chinease resturaunt i was mentioning, nashville is known for its bb-q and that rubbed off on the local neighborhood food spots. What also plays a role in this i think is the demand and those owners of that store know what the people in the neighborhood are comfortable with and want.
February 12th, 2009 at 2:24 am
“When we change the way we communicate, we change society.”
I thought that the Clay Shirky and the Ted Talks video was funny and interesting. I liked the reading because Evan used the internet to find the phone. The idea that one person can put a problem on the internet and be able to get support is inspiring. However, I hought it was interesting was that people supported Evans and Ivannas cause because they can relate to the problem. Everyone can relate to losing a precious object. People became motivated giving insight and support on solving ht eporblem of the stolen phone. That’s the reason why I believe that Evan’s blog became so popular on Digg. The video also has the same message that everyone can relate to Chinese food differently. That’s why it’s so popular because each culture has taken Chinese food and made it their own. After I read this I began to strategize about blogging. Should I just post anything that comes to me or should I think about how this can relate to a larger croup to receive more input.
February 12th, 2009 at 10:47 am
In class last week, my group of Alex, Jared, Kiki, Wes and Matt spoke a lot about disorganization of information. When information isn’t laid out clearly and cleanly, is it still useful? Is the time spent deciphering the information worth it? How much do you learn from the information when you have to first do the job of organizing it to then be able to ingest it, understand it and make use of it?
With Wikipedia, blogs, and other “non-citable” sources…how much of it is information that is actually viable?
People think. People think about intelligent things and write books about those things. Those books about intelligent things are published and put in libraries and bookstores. We read those books, write about those books, and use those books to write our own papers. Then we cite those books at the end of our papers for class.
The internet isn’t viewed as citable sources to most professors because you don’t know how much of it is true, right? But, isn’t a blog a forum where people write about what they think about? Why is it looked down upon as an unusable source? Of course there are some blogs that are about a fight someone had with their boyfriend and unless you’re writing a paper about immature adolescent relationships, those blogs aren’t of much scholarly use to you.
There IS useless junk on the internet. And there is A LOT of it. But, there is also a wealth of information. Some of it is well organized and some of it isn’t.
To me, the internet is like a new-born baby dear. At a few days old, it is just starting to be able to stand on it’s awkwardly long and skinny baby deer legs. It’s just starting to be able to clearly see the world through it’s round, glassy baby deer eyes. The things it’s learning are quick and jumbled and will be figured out later on when it’s like when it’s big deer mom and look-a-like deer siblings show it how to survive.
The internet is will get there. This beginning, this organization part, might be one of the most exciting parts.
February 12th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Hello there… Nate here, the librarian from the Junto. I’m really enjoying eavesdropping on your class. The flickr photos are a lot of fun; I’ll be pointing to them from the PLA Blog. I’m a Shirky fan so I was excited to see that you all are reading it.
I’m going to get all librarian on you here and suggest three other books that relate to your conversation about emergence, self-organization, the web, libraries, and information design.
1)Everyware: The Dawning age of Ubiquitous Computing by Adam Greenfield
2)Shaping Things by Bruce Sterling
3)Everything is Miscellaneous by David Weinberger
Also, check out Steven Strogatz’s TED talk too. Its awesome.
Have fun! Sort of jealous… Wishing I was in this class…
February 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
[...] Last week, everyone was assigned the task of shooting some photography, uploading it, and tagging it on Flickr. We’ve been keeping our eyes on the results of this assignment. We have also collected (almost) everybody’s services for aggregation in our class tumbelog. [...]
February 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Nate, Everyware is one of my absolute favorite books. I’m still working on seeing Adam Greenfield speak in person, but it seems like he spends most of his time in Europe and Asia. Considering that I’m also a big Sterling fan as well, I’m going to have to check out your David Weinberger recommendation. I have not read that one.
Jackie, while your choice metaphor is a bit strange, I think agree with your general point. The medium *is* in the process of maturing, but we also need to train ourselves to be better at sorting the junk from the not-junk.
All, it’s good to see your thoughts and comments getting more in depth!
February 12th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I found the video particularly interesting mainly because of what we are doing in our studio course right now. We are currently researching urban farming as it pertains to Philadelphia. Last we me and my partner had to look in depth at the legal and governmental aspect of farming in the city, and what we found is that there is very little in the way of laws regarding urban farming. This means that the many small communities are for the most part self-regulated. They abide by their own rules and uphold their own standards. Many of these small scale gardens and farms are connected to each other through their own web of associations and community organizations. I feel like this is very similar to the video about Chinese Restaurants in that these people have their own connections and networks because they all serve the same basic food.
In regards to the reading, I very much enjoyed the story about the lost cell phone. I think its incredible that just by making this story known to people through internet sources, Ivanna was able to get a host of people to help her get phone back.
February 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
I felt that the first chapter of “Here comes everybody,” by Clay Shirky was unbelievable. I have personally lost my phone in a cab as well, and I just assumed that it was a goner. My problem was that my phone was on vibrate which would make it even more difficult to retrieve. I called the phone countless times and called many different cab companies, but I found nothing. In the book, Ivanna buys a new phone. The phone company was then able to transfer her information to her new phone, which led her to finding out where her lost phone actually was. I was not aware that I could go through the records like her and ultimately find where my phone was now.
This whole idea of blogging is all new to me. Never would I have thought to do something like Evan did for Ivanna. Just by posting the scenario on his blog and asking people for feedback and information, he was able to attract millions of people that wanted to get to the bottom of this. I thought it was amazing how he was able to get the information he did. He was able to get advice from police officers, lawyers, and just people that supported what he was trying to do. Who would have thought a little networking between people could lead to the finding of Ivanna’s phone and to the arrest of the girl who would not give it back.
I enjoyed the video of Jennifer Lee’s discussion of Self Organization and about the history of Americanized Chinese Food. I have known for a while that our take on chinese food it very different from actual food made in China. It was also very interesting to find out that people in China did not even know what a FORTUNE COOKIE was. The one item that you can find at any chinese restaurant wherever you are was completely foreign to them. ( I also thought it was funny how everyone was shocked by the little piece of paper inside.)
It was cool how there was a different take on the same meals in different regions of the World and how a family living in one place can move and bring their own style of chinese food with them, where ever they end up.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I really enjoyed the reading as well as the video. Using blogging to communicate problems, ideas, feeling, or even to just talk to someone with the same interest as you is really a great thing. As fo the “Chinese food”, I was recently lucky enouh to go the China for a two month stay and really get to experience what food from that part of the world is really like. It seems that compared to America, the food there is really more personal to the people there. Here, everything is localized and kind of cut-down to the point where it becomes bland and boring. In China, eating food is almost ritualistic. When everyone gathers for dinner, you can really see how people interact with each other and the levels of respect they are given. Even certain foods are prepared specifically for people with higher levels of respect.
Traveling around, I got to try foods that you could never even get in this country. The “Chinese food” we have come to know in America can almost be considered a joke if the general public really knew what they were eating.
February 25th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
when were you in China for two months Christian??!! mmmmmm…Chinese food…
I had watched that Jennifer 8 talk a couple times before this semester started. I found it fascinating how ideas can grow and spread so rapidly and evolve over such a large area (earth) and over longer durations of time. What’s especially amazing, as she points out, is that it was completely organic and unplanned. This talk also points out how ideas and traditions are non-permanent and evolve and adapt to different times, cultures and atmospheres.
The Clay Shirkey reading shows this similar concept of organically expanding information. However, the modern sense of this is so rapid and fast paced it can happen within minutes! This phenomenon definitely has advantages and clearly has its place since stories like the one about the cell phone happen all the time now. Also the fact that technology exists for this and is used in such ways speaks to humans as a species. Or, at the very least, humans in a very modern society.
I think the rapid pace and opportunity to exchange informations and organizing can have disadvantages too. For one, it creates over-saturation. This often gives information less value and a shorter lifespan for which it remains important. General Tso’s Chicken being on the menu in nearly every Chinese restaurant is a foundation that took decades to build which gives it strength. I wonder if all those restaurants went online and emailed each other a new recipe that they should all include on their menu if it would work at all? My guess would be no since base for that is very shallow. On the flip side though, there may be small groups that would adopt such a practice. That’s another amazing thing about the web and mass communication- although it is nearly infinitely large, it has allowed for more grassroots and small scale groups to happen.
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